Joseph Hubert

  General Notes:

There seems to be a reasonable case for Joseph being the son of Henry Hubert and Hannah Styles.

There are some discrepancies in the available record of Jospeph's age/DOB but the range seems to be from 1790 to 1776:
- At his November 1791 marriage he was not recorded as a minor (as was his wife). This suggests that he was born before Dec 1770.
- On the 1841 census he was recorded as being 65 which could mean anything between 65 and 69, or a birth between July 1771 and July 1776.
- His age at death is recorded as 74 suggesting he was born between Feb 1773 and Feb 1774.

Henry Hubert died in late 1772 so if Joseph was his son then Joseph's latest possible DOB would have been mid 1773. From their marriage date until July 1768 Henry and Hannah had at least one child every two years and if Hannah had been 21 at their marriage in 1755 she would have been well within her child bearing years until well after 1773.

For his place of birth we only have the county from the 1841 census and this only records that he was born in "this county", Surrey. The first few of Henry and Hannah's children were baptised in Westminster but for the last few we have no place of birth. We do know that the family had a strong connection to Surrey and especially the Lambeth area just across the river.

The Daily Advertiser of Monday November 30 1772 records Henry Hubert's death and refers to his widow and eight small children. We have only identified 7 of these children so far and an additional child is likely to have been the youngest based on the spacing of the others.

In 1791 Joseph married Mary Bee. Before 1797 Mary's sister Elizabeth married Samuel Morton Hubert. It seems likley that two sisters married two brothers

Joseph's occupation and social position fits well with the family of Henry and Hannah - described variously as a "gent" or a merchant.

The names of his children also suggest a link. The first, John Bee, is clearly named for his maternal grandmother and the second for himself. The third, Ann Bee, is probably named for sister-in-law Ann Juffcoat. Then we have Hannah, possibly named for Joseph's mother, maybe still alive and a widow of some means. There are some big gaps between the births of the known children of Joseph and Mary so it is possible there may be others. It is also interesting to note that Joseph's first son, John Bee, named his first child, John Henry.

Based on the above I will for now assume Joseph is the youngest son of Henry Hubert and Hannah Styles.
This is Joseph Hubert the Grocer. He could be the same person as Joseph Hubert of Hubert's Hotel in Westminster 1841 who was also married to an Elizabeth who would have been 38 in 1831 when Mary Louisa was born.

It is very unlikely that he is Joseph Hubert the Chemist of the 1848 Will. Even though they both were married to Elizabeths the Chemist's Elizabeth would have been over 50 in 1831 so unlikely to be the mother of Mary Louisa. And just to confuse the issue further there is also the coincidence that Joseph Hubert, the Musician, b abt 1800, married Mary Louisa Turner in 1850. She was also born in Lambeth and lived on until 1910. (Joseph the Musician's 1850 marriage certificate places him as son of the Chemist so one mystery solved!)

The following baptisms are of some possible interest:

Louisa Herbert Westminster 1818 daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth (trade)
Ann Herbert Westminster 1820 daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth (trader)
Elizabeth Herbert Dec 1821 daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth (fruiterer) (abode Hampton Court)
(plus James, Joseph, Sarah and more )

The last would almost fit with Elizabeth the daughter of Joseph the Hotelier and the occupation provides a link to Joseph the Grocer.

  Chronology:

He worked as an Apprentice Carpenter in 1787 and resided at Inner Temple Lane, London. ^{7 8} Hubert to Gardener
Joseph Hubert Son of Hannah Hubert. of Abingdon Street Westmr. Widow bound to James Gardener of the Inner Temple Lane Stationer & also Citizen & Carpenter of London Conson £21

He resided in 1791 in St Dunstan in the West. ¹ (the church is in Fleet Strret)

He worked as a Grocer in 1802 and resided at Southwark. ⁹

He worked as a Grocer and tea dealer with property at 7 Borough High Street, on 10 Apr 1804. ¹⁰ (Note that this entry precedes the next by over ten years - could it be a mis-transcription? 7 Borough appears otherwise first in 1817 so maybe this should be 1824 not 1804 - UPDATE - London PO Directory 1811 suggests no transcription error))

He worked as a Grocer in 1804 and resided at Southwark. ¹¹

He worked as a Tea Dealer in 1811. ¹²
Two entries : "tea dealer. Islington" and "tea & spice warehouse, 7, Borough"

He worked as a Grocer with property at 85 Bishopsgate Street without, on 14 Dec 1815. ¹³

He resided in 1816 in St Olave Parish, Southwark. ¹⁴

He worked as a Gent with property near near Dares timber yard Bermondsey New Road Grange Road on 9 Sep 1816. ¹⁵

He worked as a Grocer with property at 85 Bishopsgate Street without and 7 Borough on 5 Mar 1817. ¹⁶

He worked as a Grocer with property at 7 Borough on 14 Jul 1817. ¹⁷

He worked as a Gent with property in Grange Road on 10 Nov 1819. ¹⁸

He worked as a Gent with property at 4 Vauxhall Walk on 3 May 1820. ¹⁹

He worked as a Cloth Manufacturer with property at Pedlar's Acre Westminster Road Lambeth on 12 Oct 1820. ²⁰

He worked as a Grocer with property at 7 Borough High Street on 15 Aug 1821. ²¹

He worked as a Gent with property at 4 Vauxhall Walk Vauxhall on 27 Jun 1822. ²²

He worked as a Hosier Dealer in Umbrellas with property at 4 Vauxhall Walk Lambeth and 74 Newgate Street on 6 Nov 1822. ²³

He worked as a Chemist and Law Stationer in 1828 and resided at (?) Prospect Cottages in the Parish of St Mary Islington. ²⁴

"This is the last Will and Testament of me Joseph Hubert of (?) Prospect Cottages in the Parish of Saint Mary Islington and Copunty of Middlesex Chemist and Law Stationer (?) I give and bequeath unto my son John Bee Hubert the sum of obe shilling and to my dear wife Elizabeth all and (?) I may be possessed of at the time of my decease for her own absolute use benfit and disposal and do appoint as sole Executor of this my will as witness my (? ? ? ) this twenty yhird day of January in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred twenty eight ---- Joseph Hubert (two initials circled) ----- signed sealed published and (?) by the said testator as (?) for this last will and testatament who in the presence of us (?) and in the presence (? --- ?) J N McKenzie ---- Wm Scarr.

Proved at (?) 31st March 1848 before the worshipful (?) Thomas Pratt (?) of (?) and Surrogate by the oath of Elizabeth Hubert widow and relict(?) the sole Executor to whom (?) was granted having been first (?) (?) to (?)."

He worked as a Green Grocer at the time of daughter Maria's baptism in 1831 and resided at Coorsair(??) St, Newington. ²⁵ (I assume Newington as only the street is given so probably the parish of the baptism)

He worked as a Chemist in 1841 and resided at Alfred Place, Lambeth, Surrey. ⁴ (with wife Elizabeth, 60 Surrey, and servant Sarah Coleman, 15)

Death: 74 years, "Chymist", Cornelius Harris present at the death, 77 Bishopsgate within, 25 Feb 1848, 1 Church Street, Lambeth. ²⁶

He worked as a Law Stationer before 1849. ²⁷

He resided as (according to his burial record, aged 74) before 1849 in Waterloo Road, Lambeth. ²⁸

Joseph married Mary Bee, daughter of John Bee and Elizabeth Godfrey, on 6 Nov 1791 in St Saviours Church, Southwark. (Mary Bee was christened on 15 Nov 1773 in All Hallows Church London Wall and died before 1816.)

  Marriage Notes:

Witnesses: "John Bee father of the said minor"; Elizabeth (?)enn

Joseph next married Elizabeth, daughter of Unknown and Unknown, on 16 Jul 1816 in St Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, Surrey.^{1 2} (Elizabeth was born Cal 1780 in Surrey ⁴ and died after Mar 1848 ²⁹.)